I'm a Polish-American, and I've always wondered where the rumor started that Polish people are not so smart. Does anyone know?
I'm not looking to start a flame throwing contest here, by the way. This is a serious inquiry.
I'm not looking to start a flame throwing contest here, by the way. This is a serious inquiry.
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Re: Polish jokes
Tue, August 9, 2005 - 11:41 AMMy guess would be that a lot of immigrants didn't speak english, didn't understand it, so people assumed that they were stupid. Or maybe a lot of immigrants were simple people, not so smart and that's how it started.
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Re: Polish jokes
Tue, August 9, 2005 - 7:19 PMThis is a very GOOD topic to bring up and thank you for bringing it to our attention!
I have no data to prove what my Father told me at a young age but he told me the reason that there were so many Polish jokes is because Europeans were actually jealous of the wealth and accomplishments of the Poles.
I have never been to Poland but I do know that out of Poland there have been some creative geniuses who have created beautiful art, architectural structures and many other worldly things.
I look forward to reading the replies of other Poland tribe members!
Let's see if we can solve this mystery!
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Sat, January 28, 2006 - 12:57 PM"I have no data to prove what my Father told me at a young age but he told me the reason that there were so many Polish jokes is because Europeans were actually jealous of the wealth and accomplishments of the Poles."
I doubt that's the reason, I think your father's response was just the typical response from a Polish person, who, from what I've been able to gather, are extremely proud of their heritage.
The whole side of dad's family is Polish, his grandmother came to the United States when she was a little girl. I did get to hear a lot of Polish jokes while going to grade school and high school, but, to be honest with you, they never bothered me and I just took them as harmless ribbing.
As for how the stereotype actually came about... I have no idea, but I know I tend to be absent-minded and not very perceptive. Maybe that's the Polish in me ;) -
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Re: Polish Jokes
Sun, February 5, 2006 - 8:03 AMFirst, let me just say this is my first post!
I was looking for something Polish and I found this site via Google!
Anyway, that all aside, I was looking over your post(s) and in response to the whole "Polish Joke" things, I was always taught that the reason for these jokes were because of the World Wars were apparently we attacked armored tanks with sticks & rocks.
Stupid or courageous?
Anyway, this is just my two cents....
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 2:41 AMI think it is rather untrue that polish people are more stupid than other. Every nation has its own very bright people and idiots.
Most emigrants from Poland are simple and don't know english too good (like poeple in Poland generaly ;), so this can be good reason for jokes.
PS. I'm not gonna brighten image of polish people with my english. Damn :| I'm sorry. -
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 5:11 PMMy Dad (polish) and my Grandfather (also polish) were both doctors! -
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 6:23 PMMy Grandfather JoJo Graboski was a professional hockey player (for four international hockey teams) and accountant back in the depression era so you know he wasn't stupid! LOL!!!
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 6:26 PMOh yeah!
I forgot to mention that I LOVE POLISH and BLONDE JOKES!
They say imitation is a form of flattery and any bad press is good press.
Let's start a polish joke post and see what we think of them.
Maria
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Re: Polish jokes
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 12:10 PMIt started when copernicus accidently discovered how to open door using a door knob.
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Re: Polish jokes
Tue, December 27, 2005 - 10:48 AMI think it might have something to do with history... historically Poland has been trampled on, over ruled, occupied, and at some points not even there... maybe other countries looked at the Poles as people who couldn't even govern themselves.
And with immigration, very often to get food on the table while the English language and culture was being learned, many Poles took menial jobs... hard labor, construction, that sort... and Americans, without thinking too deeply, assumed that all Poles were stupid, rather than trying to make it in a new country after being a doctor, accountant and so on. I had a cleaning lady who was an accountant back home, but here she was reduced to cleaning due to language and licensing issues. Had I not talked to her and learned more about her, I could quickly see how people would think that all Polish women coming to America might only be able to clean and such...
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Thu, February 9, 2006 - 8:32 AMThe history is definitly a part of it I think. Having your country taken over so many times created a certain image. Although I don't think that it's the only reason. Also early on in Poland's history every landowner had a say in the parliment and could delay decisions by shouting 'Liberum Veto'. This may have also contributed to the polish jokes. Poles are far from stupid, they are survivors and will always survive. -
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Wed, May 31, 2006 - 9:08 PMSo I asked my Dad about this (what a concept!) and he said that Poles in America used to be considered "dumb" because they were mostly low class and held low paying jobs.
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Re: Polish jokes
Fri, June 22, 2007 - 5:14 PMActually, most of you are right, but you don't see the whole picture.
Poles who went to Great Britain during the II WW were highly educated, mostly officers, and are rememberd with lost of respect and sentiment, especially by the elders (however we are working hard to tarnish this reputation and we become the least liked nation in the UK:(:(:( ).
With America the thing was completely different (and mind you my great-grandma and her daughter emigrated, so I try to be as severe as I can:). So the thing is that people who went to America in the 1910s-20s were usually very simple people, who were striving to make it in the New World. You can watch 'The Fiddler on the Roof' - that was often the case. People from villages had to sell everything they possessed and do something, so they said: Hey! we could go to America, we have enough money for the ticket in the 10th class!
So there came a huge pack of unqalified labourers (but they came also from other parts of the world, so there is no reason to say that we were the most disadvantaged or anything), who stick to themselves and before even getting good jobs tried to bring their whole families and their neighbours (we are family people, ay?:). Nowadays, in the UK you can see lots of Poles who just do not learn the language, becaus ethey live among Polish and the 'just don't care'. That was the similar situation.
And then, under the Communist regime, intelligentsia could not leave Poland, not even mentioning emigrating. So the people who got the visas were mostly simple (if not primitive) people.
My great-grandma and her daughter (lovely ladies by the way) were not educated. I remember my grandma's writing- she hardly finished her primary school. It is not that she was stupid- she was uneducated. And if you can't communicate... there you have it. On the other hand, the bloody Polish pride makes us the smartest nation in the world. We have an opinion about everything and we are the best. And in America it just does not work. And we cheat and we lie. And that makes us somtehing to be afraid of. And the ridiculing is the most effective way sometimes (look at the Minstrel Shows).
This was a testimony according to my knowledge on American Immigration studies and cultural studies. Thank you.
